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    Weed Cutting


    July 01, 2012, 09:00 PM

    I hear what you're saying guys, but working 60-70 hours per week leaves little time for riding, let alone volunteering  :(

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    Walt Hougas
    Trail Steward - Blue Mound SP
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    To Be A Man...

    July 02, 2012, 07:23 AM

    I hear what you're saying guys, but working 60-70 hours per week leaves little time for riding, let alone volunteering  :(

    And that's kind of the issue with trimming weeds vs cutting the valuable plants. If I had lots of time, I could learn to identify the rare plant species, carefully trim around the good stuff and just take out the nasty, thorny stuff. But I am lucky to get out to Blue Mound once a week for trail work. The number of trees down on the trails has been above average this year, in the 15-20 range. Some are easy to get to, some chew up an entire work session just getting out to and cutting one or two trees. Kevin Swenson's first priority for me is to put up trail signs around the entire park. I need to install 12 posts this summer, in the most difficult locations I may have to dig 4 holes to get one deep enough to support a post.

    Like yourself, I still try to find time for an occasional ride.

    I don't have your expertise. I got more help with weed control than I have ever had in the past, and the job is still overwhelming. The fundamental problem is there is more work than everyone who uses the trail is willing to put in. I do my best to strike a balance among the demands. Someone, in this case me, the trail steward, has to set the priorities about what gets done and what doesn't, and how much time each task gets. At this time my judgement is that my time is better spent cutting once, thoroughly, to keep the trails open for riding, running, and hiking.

    If you feel this is an unreasonable attitude, I guess there is nothing preventing you from taking this to the park management. I'd rather you didn't.

    Walt

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    July 02, 2012, 10:59 AM

    totally awesome posting. that is all


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    Go big or go home.
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    TheMayor1
    Trail Steward - CamRock
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    July 02, 2012, 11:43 AM

    I hear what you're saying guys, but working 60-70 hours per week leaves little time for riding, let alone volunteering  :(
    I don't want to beat anyone up or beat the dead horse as they say. But this statement describes my life and I would venture most Trail Stewards. Also the reason that I have not been on my bike for two weeks as of tomorrow. Between my work (close to 80 hours last week) and family time I have not gotten on any ride. Though I did put in about 10 hours cleaning up the shelter and getting the equipment all tuned up and ready for others to use it. Would I rather spend those 10 hours on a bike instead of fun things like cleaning shelters? Hell yes.

    That is life. It is the choices we make. If it is important to you it has to be a high enough priority to make it happen.


    ~ Chuck Hutchens


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    JHenry
    Technical Terrain (TTF) Crew

    July 03, 2012, 08:56 AM

    Lack of available man hours aside, Frank has offered trail-side workshops to identify the very plants he is pointing out. We all understand the lack of time in the summer but we can't skewer someone that has offered help that we seem to forget about.
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    July 03, 2012, 10:21 AM

    I think a workshop would be a great idea and not just for trail stewards, but all riders. There have been times when riding I would see something that I knew was bad (parsnip) and I wished I knew enough about it to safely remove it or at least knock it down, but all I know about it now is I want to stay away from it. I would certainly be interested in attending if something was organized. Unfortunately by the sounds of things GoodOak is the busiest this time of year when the weeds are growing.

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    Walt Hougas
    Trail Steward - Blue Mound SP
    Moderator
    To Be A Man...

    July 03, 2012, 02:52 PM

    Lack of available man hours aside, Frank has offered trail-side workshops to identify the very plants he is pointing out. We all understand the lack of time in the summer but we can't skewer someone that has offered help that we seem to forget about.

    I don't believe that Frank was treated disrespectfully in this thread. It certainly wasn't my intention, and I discourage anyone else from doing so.

    I do want to push back against the notion, however, that the state parks are primarily wildlife and plant habitat refuges. The state has thousands of acres of undeveloped land currently serving that purpose, and relatively few devoted to recreation. I accept that bike trails can't be build just anywhere I would like them to.

    Blue Mound has a thriving population of rare and valuable plants. At least they are rare elsewhere. Because they are doing so well at Blue Mound, some of them spread into trails and into other recreational areas. In order to keep these areas usable for people, the people working at the park have to cut these plants when they grow where they don't belong. Some people would say this is the definition of a weed, but let's not go there and perpetuate the name-calling.

    Frank is certainly within his rights to express concern whether I'm cutting too far back from the trails in my maintenance work. I respect his opinion and his right to express it. However, I don't think it's out of line for me to respond to Frank by pointing out the need to apply the limited time resources that CORP has in the most effective way possible. I hope my response is not taken as an attempt to discredit Frank Hassler. I appreciate his professional accomplishments and willingness to share his knowledge.

    One more time, to be perfectly clear: if someone out there has the time and interest in trimming the plant growth from the trails in a way to preserve valuable and protected plants, and can do it in a way that will not interfere with keeping the trails clear, I will give you as much responsibility as you want.

    Walt

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    TheMayor1
    Trail Steward - CamRock
    Trail Steward
    608-772-7833

    July 03, 2012, 04:38 PM

    ^ Very well said Walt. I think you summed up your thoughts very well. And they would be identical to mine.


    ~ Chuck Hutchens


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    XXX

    July 05, 2012, 12:59 PM

    One more time, to be perfectly clear: if someone out there has the time and interest in trimming the plant growth from the trails in a way to preserve valuable and protected plants, and can do it in a way that will not interfere with keeping the trails clear, I will give you as much responsibility as you want.

    Essentially what I was trying to say was that you and others, hopefully myself at some point could do less work (use less CORP resources) and reduce the risk of harming high-quality native plants by altering technique a bit. IE the only raspberries, multiflora rose and other brush needs to be cut back to the ground, other plants can just be trimmed back to the point to keep them from overhanging the trail. This could be done faster and easier by riding or walking the trail using a Christmas tree knife and clippers and with less  hassle than gearing up with the brush cutter. Maybe it wouldn't be much less work, but it certainly wouldn't be more.

    Mostly, I just wanted to point out that, horticulturally speaking you can call any 'plant out of place' a weed, but we have to remember to be sensitive to the unique situation at Blue Mounds where there is a natural community that, though being degraded, still has most of its essential charter intact. This is not the case on 99% of state owned land.

    I'd be happy to do a weed and trailside plant workshop, now might not be the best time since everything is wilting in the drought, but lets set something up.

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    July 05, 2012, 01:30 PM

    Though I attempt to do it regularly, its difficult to clearly and concisely express the complicated history and current pressures and implications of the ecological impacts on our landscape. Usually it takes me an hour or two of conversation with a landowner to get them to understand what, ecologically, is going on on their property, and what they can and should do about it. So I'll do my best to explain to explain in a few words here the ecological crisis going on here in the midwest right now.

    You hear a lot about rainforest destruction, how an area of rainforest the size of Ohio is being lost every year. Sadly, our midwestern prairies, savannas, woodlands and wetlands have it worse off than the rainforest. Imagine that 99% of that rainforest is already gone, or even 99.99% of the rainforest is gone, all we have left is little patches of preserves the rest replaced by soybean fields, beef ranches, roadside ditches, highways, cities and so forth. Because the remaining patches are so small and so far apart there isn't enough room for entire populations of the remaining plants and animals in those areas to survive, so things are going extinct, at least locally, quite regularly. Then there is the constant pressure of new development and continued logging, as well as the many many introduced invasive species that thrive in the newly disturbed environment that continue to threaten the integrity of the remaining fragments of this once great ecosystem.

    Blue Mounds State Park was all prairie and oak savanna when the first settlers arrived. Before the white man arrived Native Americans burned fires across the entire landscape almost every year. There were a few small patches of 'mixed hardwood' forest in the area, down in the lower reaches of the valley formed by Ryan Creek where they were protected by fire there were some sugar maple, basswood, cherry, walnut and others in a mixed hardwood forest along with the oaks. But where Blue Mounds State Park is today only oaks were found by the land surveyors in 1832/33. In the absence of fire, maples, basswoods and other forest trees have moved uphill into the park shading it profusely. Still, in many places the original savanna plants are managing to hold on even with reduced light levels. In other parts of the park, you can clearly see "maple dead zones" where there is not enough light for indigenous plants to survive. We're lucky so far in that there are currently very few invasive plants in the park, but it is ripe for and explosion in the garlic mustard, dames rocket and honeysuckle due to the reduced competition from shade-intollerant indigenous plants.

    We have lost 99% of the tallgrass prairie, 96% of our oak-hickory woodlands and 99.99% of the oak savanna that once dominated this landscape (oak savanna is a quintessential fire-dependent ecosystem). Where we have any fragments of these left we must take the utmost care to maintain and restore these little pieces of our original, glorious, Wisconsin landscape. Cam Rock also had these plant communities, but there they have been grazed, plowed, flooded, shaded, eroded, invaded and otherwise neglected such that almost none of the original flora and fauna remain. At Blue Mounds, all of the pieces are still there, some of these pieces are very hard to find anyplace else. Walt, you're right, the state owns a lot of land, but the vast majority of it has been trashed just like Cam Rock. At the Kettle moraine too we find a few good pieces of original Wisconsin left, but most areas have been highly degraded, even replaced by pine plantation. We have to be especially careful with the little jewels we have left.

    EDIT: I thought I'd add this link, this article explains the oak woodland situation very well if anyone cares: http://www.eenews.net/public/Greenwire/2012/05/29/1

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    XXX

    September 15, 2012, 11:43 AM

    Though I attempt to do it regularly, its difficult to clearly and concisely express the complicated history and current pressures and implications of the ecological impacts on our landscape. Usually it takes me an hour or two of conversation with a landowner to get them to understand what, ecologically, is going on on their property, and what they can and should do about it. So I'll do my best to explain to explain in a few words here the ecological crisis going on here in the midwest right now.

    You hear a lot about rainforest destruction, how an area of rainforest the size of Ohio is being lost every year. Sadly, our midwestern prairies, savannas, woodlands and wetlands have it worse off than the rainforest. Imagine that 99% of that rainforest is already gone, or even 99.99% of the rainforest is gone, all we have left is little patches of preserves the rest replaced by soybean fields, beef ranches, roadside ditches, highways, cities and so forth. Because the remaining patches are so small and so far apart there isn't enough room for entire populations of the remaining plants and animals in those areas to survive, so things are going extinct, at least locally, quite regularly. Then there is the constant pressure of new development and continued logging, as well as the many many introduced invasive species that thrive in the newly disturbed environment that continue to threaten the integrity of the remaining fragments of this once great ecosystem.

    Blue Mounds State Park was all prairie and oak savanna when the first settlers arrived. Before the white man arrived Native Americans burned fires across the entire landscape almost every year. There were a few small patches of 'mixed hardwood' forest in the area, down in the lower reaches of the valley formed by Ryan Creek where they were protected by fire there were some sugar maple, basswood, cherry, walnut and others in a mixed hardwood forest along with the oaks. But where Blue Mounds State Park is today only oaks were found by the land surveyors in 1832/33. In the absence of fire, maples, basswoods and other forest trees have moved uphill into the park shading it profusely. Still, in many places the original savanna plants are managing to hold on even with reduced light levels. In other parts of the park, you can clearly see "maple dead zones" where there is not enough light for indigenous plants to survive. We're lucky so far in that there are currently very few invasive plants in the park, but it is ripe for and explosion in the garlic mustard, dames rocket and honeysuckle due to the reduced competition from shade-intollerant indigenous plants.

    We have lost 99% of the tallgrass prairie, 96% of our oak-hickory woodlands and 99.99% of the oak savanna that once dominated this landscape (oak savanna is a quintessential fire-dependent ecosystem). Where we have any fragments of these left we must take the utmost care to maintain and restore these little pieces of our original, glorious, Wisconsin landscape. Cam Rock also had these plant communities, but there they have been grazed, plowed, flooded, shaded, eroded, invaded and otherwise neglected such that almost none of the original flora and fauna remain. At Blue Mounds, all of the pieces are still there, some of these pieces are very hard to find anyplace else. Walt, you're right, the state owns a lot of land, but the vast majority of it has been trashed just like Cam Rock. At the Kettle moraine too we find a few good pieces of original Wisconsin left, but most areas have been highly degraded, even replaced by pine plantation. We have to be especially careful with the little jewels we have left.

    EDIT: I thought I'd add this link, this article explains the oak woodland situation very well if anyone cares: http://www.eenews.net/public/Greenwire/2012/05/29/1

    it sounds like from what u said Blue Mound is our last Utopia left around Madison or even southern wisconsin??

    well then at least i feel that much more special riding in bm then hehe


    ~ It's not the ride, it's the rider.
    Go big or go home.
    Know what you are up against.


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